Lyonette Louis-Jacques writes:
> Voting is going on to establish
> the misc.legal.moderated Usenet newsgroup--please vote!
I second Lyo's comment, and would like to add that the deadline to vote is
tomorrow, November 2. If you plan on voting, now's the time.
Quick summary on how to vote: to vote, send an email (posts to a mailing
list or newsgroup are invalid) to
voting@calvin.ph.utexas.edu
Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on misc.legal.moderated
or
I vote NO on misc.legal.moderated
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain"
vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no".
Please don't send your vote to me -- I'm not the vote-taker, so your vote
won't count.
FYI, I append the entire CFV for your edification:
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From: bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.legal,misc.legal.computing,misc.int-
property,comp.patents,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.privacy
Subject: CFV: misc.legal.moderated moderated
Date: 12 Oct 93 18:25:51 GMT
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (1st of 2)
Moderated group misc.legal.moderated
misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated)
Larry Kolodney <lkk@panix.com> has volunteered to serve as the inital
moderator
for misc.legal.moderated.
Votes must be recieved by 23:59 GMT, 2 Nov 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Voting questions
should be directed to Ed Bailey <bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu>. For questions
about the proposed group, contact Bernie Cosell <cosell@world.std.com>.
CHARTER and DISCUSSION
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Name: Misc.legal.moderated
Status: Moderated. Larry Kolodney, aka lkk@panix.com, has
volunteered to serve as initial moderator.
Charter: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and
legal theory. It is recognized that these are
contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's
domain varies from country to country. The group is
intended to provide a home for well-tempered
discussions including, but not limited to:
1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to
court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive
actions with legal implications.
2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and
rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national
(e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/
departmental, and local/communal.
3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal'
content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to
achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or
constitutional amendment).
4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of
legal interpretation and thought.
5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary
work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars.
6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal
professionals, both in public and private life, and of their
associates and matters relating to the role of law and
lawyers in society.
7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have
encountered that may be of interest to the legal community.
8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners
concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the
police, the courts or other entities which administer the
legal system.
9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of
employment for lawyers and other legal professionals.
10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific
factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies
to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes
it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**.
11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage
a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail.
Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice
obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost
never a good substitute for direct consultation with an
attorney.
12. Legal humor.
The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a
preference ordering among the various topics.
The role of the Moderator
=========================
13. Although no legal relationships are created by this
document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or
he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and
posting to the group.
14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will
not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule.
This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from
publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy
organizations which provide legal counseling and
representation.
15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when
discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will
close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the
group when taking such actions. The moderator will request
voluntary compliance before taking such actions.
16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders,
perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup,
if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly
belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the
moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when
there exists another group in which the thread appears to
belong.
17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are
disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular
laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated
by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political
issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference
to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator
will enforce this rule.
18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts
containing factual assertions about the current state of the
law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the
moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of
the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify
the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and
is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of
any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post.
This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a
manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to
be presented.
19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are
unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on
previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise
this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement
with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as
the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or
opinion expressed in that post.
Moderator Selection and Replacement
===================================
20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may
resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the
group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly
transition.
21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve
for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The
moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two
months per calendar year.
22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators
may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving
moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators
are active at any one time. Moderators may share their
duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among
the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in
cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all
the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple
moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above
paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively
if the context permits.
23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole
moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are
requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group
when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator
may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators,
choose not to appoint a successor.
Amending This Charter
=====================
24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the
procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
voting@calvin.ph.utexas.edu
Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on misc.legal.moderated
or
I vote NO on misc.legal.moderated
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain"
vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no".
You should receive an acknowledgement (via email) of your vote within
one to three days. Additional CFVs will NOT include mass ACKs, only
ACKs for undeliverable mail.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.
This vote will be counted using Ron Dippold's UseVote software, version 2.*.
This vote is conducted by a member of the Usenet Volunteer Voters.
Ed Bailey
Member, Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
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